For all of you who are going to fire back, don't waste your time! I am not going to visit this site any more! I have said what I wanted to say, hoping that all of you will take a second, and listen to some of the things you are saying! I am a sensible person and understand alot of this! I don't think that a little noise, and more traffic gives anyone the right to shut a business down! Any business anywhere would create a little more noise, and more traffic, that's what a business hopes for! If a few decided to take a few drinks, and do something stupid, that doesn't give anyone the right to judge all the rest! Polk county was a dry county for a long time! Since the passing of the new law, I havn't heard nothing about the drunk driving deathtoll going up! During the time of the ban Polk county lost alot of money on the lost taxes! If it's not one thing it will always be another! It can always be worse!

It would be nice to wake up every morning knowing that the sun was going to shine and be great day, but just like the weather things change! Unfortunately we must do our best to change with it, even if we don't want to! Thank You

Apparently the police like I don't seem to think it's a big problem! Apparently they were not drunk or they would have been arrested! If I'm wrong, tell me more about the incident so It can be clear! I have idiots turning around in my yard, in my front yard! I don't call the police no more, doesn't help! Build a brick mailbox, put rocks along your yard, fix the problem! Remember the county owns so much right of way! If i came by your house and ran 5 feet off the road that's not your property! I'm sure it's more than 5 feet! More than likely your mailbox is on county property, making it the counties yard! As for old wounds, I've just got into this topic, unfortunately I wasn't aware of this when it started! They are not old wounds, a new ad just came out with the same old bickering! As for the old comedian, I'm sorry I'm sure he was a great guy, but knowing his quotes does not make you a genius! These are my opinions, like yours they are not IRON CLAD!

Allow me to clarify for you, Marlu. I know the drunks referenced were skydivers because they told the policemen so when they arrived on the scene. I suppose blame lays with the police department as well, because they merely said "Okay, be careful." and left the scene. Some support! And I have seen them drive through my yard and run over my mailbox and a neighbor's. And I would agree that I have been unlucky. Fortunately for all of us, we live in a country that allows a lot, including free speech, so that people like you and I can voice our opinions on trivial topics. And I'm sorry you haven't had the privilege to hear Jerry Clower. He was wonderful. Google him sometime. You may be pleasantly surprised. Also, you might want to check the dates on some of these comments, as most things have been covered in the month since this article was first written. No need to reopen old wounds.

Allow me to clarify for you, Marlu. I know the drunks referenced were skydivers because they told the policemen so when they arrived on the scene. I suppose blame lays with the police department as well, because they merely said "Okay, be careful." and left the scene. Some support! And I have seen them drive through my yard and run over my mailbox and a neighbor's. And I would agree that I have been unlucky. Fortunately for all of us, we live in a country that allows a lot, including free speech, so that people like you and I can voice our opinions on trivial topics. And I'm sorry you haven't had the privilege to hear Jerry Clower. He was wonderful. Google him sometime. You may be pleasantly surprised. Also, you might want to check the dates on some of these comments, as most things have been covered in the month since this article was first written. No need to reopen old wounds.

For the lady at the bottom that wrote,

"So after all this time, something is being enforced? I'm shocked and dumbfounded, but I am grateful. I'm tired of the drunks running over my mailbox or through my yard going from Cowboy's back to The Farm. Or landing in my driveway and then asking me for a ride. Thank you, Commissioners, for doing your job!"

Dumbfounded is a great word for this comment! More like I founddumb! Lady have you ever seen someone actually driving through your yard. If so did thay have flashing lights and yellow flags that said I'm a skydiver and I'm drunk! Do you have a drunk skydiver magnet in your yard, geeze you have been unlucky!

Leroy you are dead on! Thanks for staying true!

On a different note, some of you sure do take this personal, wow, a Jerry Clower Quote! Never heard of him, before my time! Kind of like the whole board, if you know what I mean! Great quote though, I already feel smarter, thank you!

The skydiving business buys tons of fuel which puts money back into a diminishing economy! What do you do for your county?

Robopop wrote on Tuesday, Jun 10 at 11:14 AM »

I never understood the attraction to "skydive the farm" when there is a perfectly suitable center located a short distance away at the Polk County Airport. This is because you don't know what led to the opening of the Farm, which makes everything you say VOID!

I've also heard that someone landed on a bull and killed it! You are kidding me, please explain, I'm dying to hear! Sounds like Bull-Crap

For the issue of cutting a fence with knife, I don't know what to say! Has anyone tried to cut a fence with a knife, it would take a while cutting back and forth if at all possible, it's hard to cut with regular wire cutters! Please people stop being so dumb, everytime something happens now you want to blame it on the skydivers! Point is if you didn't see it, have it on tape it is hearsay, or blame, this does not make it true! If you could cut a fence with a knife we would have prisoners escaping running around everywhere! GIVE ME A BREAK

Where did the story go? Are the newspapers going to print the rest of it?

Headlines such as,

"County Commission Oversteps Authority"

Crusader, if your an Airline Pilot, I'm Barack Obama. You're capital letter'd adolescent post from June 12th sheds much light on the type of ignorance surrounding this issue. I noticed that the skydiving sport remained alive and well in Polk County over the weekend.

Any given day in any neighborhood in this county, you will hear hot rods being tuned up, tractors cutting hay, bush-hogging, dozers, guns being sighted-in, what have you...

I think it's pure envy. Some folks just can't stand to see anyone else enjoying themselves. Do you all really think that the skydive community would WANT to commit acts which would get them in trouble? They like it here in spite of the bad reception by some citizens.

One thing is for certain. If you mix Aviation and News Media, you are left with a boat-load of bad information. Couple that with an ignorant County commission and it's a recipe for disaster. You better pray to God that someone doesn't take a dislike to your favorite activity.

I sat in the Rockmart Huddle House one morning and marveled at the conversation between some of the locals. With all of the unfounded rumors being spewed forth about skydivers and airplanes, I was expecting to hear about a Bigfoot sighting at any moment.

I agree, mcafishcreek, but at least anonymous can take a hint.

anonymous seems to like to dish it out, but is not able to take it.

OK..both of you. Since you don't seem to be able to discuss and only have hateful name-calling and snide remarks to say, I'm outta here. You are welcome to your misguided opinions. Have a happy life.

Anonymous stated that I assume that country folk are stupid. I NEVER SAID THAT NOR DID I IMPLY IT. You need to learn to read before you criticize, MORON! But you made my point perfectly! What I said was "we may be country folk but that does not make us stupid." That says we ARE NOT STUPID! I am so tired of ignorant idiots like you that automatically assume that just because people live in a rural area we are a bunch of stupid clods. (Are you going to take these remarks out of context, too?) See? You don't know me at all. You don't know my past experiences or my intelligence level (I guarantee you that I have a MUCH higher IQ than you) and you don't know my education level. The late, great Jerry Clower (comedian) had a saying for folks like you. To borrow a quote from him "It's obvious that you, sir, are educated far beyond your intelligence".

Any aviation concerns can be researched in an FAA publication called the FAR/AIM. Meaning...Federal Aviation Regulations/Airmans Information Manual.

As you may have guessed, the airspace above us is regulated by the Federal Government. The local government does not control any of the airspace.

Also, the Polk County Cedartown airport has received subsidies from the Federal Government.

The FAA has also visited Skydive the Farm on Grady Road and found no violations of any kind.

I suggest anyone concerned with zoning issues should review the entire 162 page Polk County Zoning Ordinances.

As far as revenue.....the twin engined airplanes that both skydiving facilities operate will consume 70 gallons per hour each. The county receives both taxes and a profit margin for each gallon sold. I think the fuel costs about $5.45 per gallon. Do the math.

I am just stating the facts.

I seem to have confused anonymous when i wrote that you could achieve the same goal with a knife. What I should have said is that you could achieve the same goal with a knife. I did not mention a razor blade. A good quality knife[such as a kbar] will hack through a wire. You will ruin the blade, but it can be done. My point is that there are many ways to breach a fence such as unting a splice, bending the wire back and forth at the staple point, and yes even kicking it down. Anyone that has put up a fence will tell you that even streaching a new wile will break if you put too much pressure on it. My favorite method without a wire cutter is to twist it until it breaks by using plires or anything that will hold the wire. After visting hookknives.com the shape of some of the knives pitured would be perfect for twisting a wire. You are correct though a razor blade probably wouldn't work. DUH

So no I do not jest, and it seems that it is you that chooses to rant about something you know nothing about.

If the reduction in traffic was a result of my complaint and not action of the comission I wonder why when I complained years ago they just now decided to be a good neghibor.

I also seemed to have cause confusion with my use of the word high altitude. I am not a pilot and am unfamilar with avaiton terms. Let me try to explain in my layman terms. A jet, prop, and helo all make a diffrent kind of noise, and I am not complaning about jet noise. Before you counter with some of the traffic ging into ATL are prop I am aware of this, but they also do not circle over my house.

Anonymous accuses others with a lack of knowledge, and a arrogrant attitude. I think those shoes would be a much better fit on him.

The new Atlanta approach is 12,500. Lower than the skydiving airplanes. Much louder than the skydiving planes.

Sorry Crusader, you are wrong. You need to check your facts.

You said, "I DON'T LIVE NEARBY". Yet you choose to make blatantly false accusations with no basis in fact. Have at it if it makes you happy. Your lack of knowledge and arrogant attitude says it all.

ATL trafic altitude: You are wrong. Diving a 747 down from 25,000 feet, or more, from here to land at ATL? You are obviously NOT an airline pilot. You made yourself out to be very unkowledgable and foolish. You chose to ignore that that the changes to the air lanes were recent. You have no idea about approach lanes and traffic at ATL. Those planes approach in this lane at below 15,000 ft. Maybe a check with the FAA will clear that up for you. And yes, we sometimes have to delay operations to accomodate that trafdfic.

Knives: You obviously have no idea what a hook knife is. Here is a link to the type of HUGE knife some skydivers carry to cut tangled fabfic or lines.

http://www.hookknife.com/

Take a look and tell me if that razor blade cutter could cut a fence. And since you don't live nearby, how is it that you can state that the Grady Road people don't maintain their fences?

Drive to the airport: You are wrong. You should know. That is exactly what we do.

You said, "DO IT OUR WAY..." Thanks to God you don't run this great country. It's because the country is so great that your kind is tolerated. I hope you don't come back and say that you are a Christian.

Why go on. You have made it very plain, in capital letters, too, that you have no clue what is going on.

To Robopop: Country folk are not stupid. I'm sorry you assume so. You, Robopop, like Crusader, just simply do not understand flight characteristics of aircraft...and nobody expects you to...unless you make unfounded comments about it. How much time do you think it takes for a 747, at 25,000 feet, to travel from here to ATL? Let's use a big, round number...say 25 minutes. That plane would have to dive down at a rate of 1,000 feet per minute just to get there and that would be a crash...and we haven't considered holding patterns, other traffic or anything else. Typical descent rates for transport aircraft are in the 700 ft/min range. In order to maintain that rate and be able to enter a holding pattern to set up for landing, the approach altitude will be much lower to begin with which is why it's below 15K in this area. Transport airplanes just don't simply dive down on airports. It just doesn't happen.

Just as an aside...what is a keister? I've never heard that term before.

Crusader,

I would love to take the conversation with you point by point off line in order not to clutter up this board. I can be reached via futuredivot at gmail dot com. I look forward to hearing from you.

Regards

According to "Pops" the FAA had re-directed approach routes to Atlanta but I have to agree with "Crusader" on this. The altitudes flown by those planes are STILL far above those of the skydivers. IF those routes were below 15,000 feet ALL skydiving operations would have to cease due to conflicting traffic. Now, genius, do you still want to try to blow smoke up our kiesters? We may be country folk but that does NOT make us STUPID. As it has already been said, 278 goes both ways.........

mcafishcreek wrote: "You may be down to one take off and landing per day now, but that was after pressure was brought from the comissoners."

The reduction to the absolute minimim was in response to your complaint, not the commission. The Farm was simply trying its best to accomodate you as much as possible but evidiently that is not good enough. That idea about the two-way street of respect doesn't appeal to you I guess.

mcafishcreek wrote:"...the sound of a high altitude jet..."

You do realize that all that Atlanta air traffic is at a much lower altitude than the skydiving operations altitude. What you are hearing is that Atlanta traffic.

mcafishcreek wrote: "...you can achieve the same goal with a knife."

Surely you jest. Or, you choose to rant about something you know nothing about. If you have a fence that a razor blade could cut, then you have more worries with raccoons than anything else. Look towards your hunters.

Has anyone taken the time to review the 162 page Polk County Zoning Ordinance?